Tim: We were talking about your trip to California in 1972. Yes. You had to go through those dates.  

Mom: Yes. And you straight me out. It was, I thought it was 70,  

Tim: 71. Yeah. I wasn't, we had to do the, do the, when Matthew was born in May of 71, if he was a baby. When you were in California and it was a January, it had to be January of 72.

Right. So what did you do? It was right, right after the beginning of the year. Well, it was New Year's Day. What? Did you fly out there on New Year's Day? No. You were out there in late December. Yes. At uh, in Oxnard.  

Mom: Right, right. And then we were New Year's at Pasadena. Was Rachel and Bob.  

Tim: Okay. Was Brian there too?

Yes. And Bonnie. Bonnie and the two kids?  

Mom: Yes. Oh, I don't even remember the kids, but they had to have been there. Yes, they must have stayed at home with Rachel while the rest of us went out to watch the Easter Parade four.  

Tim: Not the Easter Parade, the Rose Bowl Parade. Did you have like a viewing spot? No,  

Mom: we walked the street.

What the heck, Sunset Boulevard, where the parade was forming, and there were floats all along, waiting for their turn, and we just walked by, to see  

Tim: everything. It had to be pretty nice, seeing all those roses.  

Mom: They were beautiful,  

Tim: yes. Were there people on the floats yet, or? Oh, yes. So they were getting ready to get into the parade?

Were bands warming up and that type of thing?  

Mom: I think so, but Tim, I didn't take it all.  

Tim: It was only 49, 48 years ago.  

Mom: I know, but it was just the idea of being there. I didn't mark it all down.  

Tim: Did you take any pictures? I've never seen any pictures of that trip. Probably not. I would have thought Brian would have had a camera from, it was after he was in Okinawa.

Everybody buys cameras when they're over there.  

Mom: He probably left it at home.

Tim: But you were funny, you were talking about how Uncle Bob was always drinking. Always. Was he, was he like fall down drunk or was he one of those people who could just drink? He  

Mom: could drink and drink, yes. Really? Gee. As I said, he started out drinking wine at my mom's house. Dad's house back here, when I first saw  

Tim: him.

Did Rachel  

Mom: drink? Like, not to any great amount that I know of.  

Tim: Did he ever have any problems like DWIs or anything  

Mom: like that? Not that I know of. He made his own hours working, when he worked here for Niagara Mohawk. What was it then, Niagara Falls?  

Tim: Oh, in the, in the, uh, forties? Yes. That might have been Niagara Power Corporation.

Niagara  

Mom: Power. Yeah. Uh, that's when he'd quit work about three in the afternoon and go to Mom and Dad's and drink wine.  

Tim: He'd, why would he go to Mom and Dad's and drink wine? Well, he would date Rachel there. Oh, she lived with them. Oh, I see. That's so unusual. No,  

Mom: she didn't live with him, because she had her apartment.

Oh yeah, she had her apartment. And worked at the power authority.  

Tim: Power company. That's how they met,  

Mom: right? On 3rd Street.  

Tim: I wonder why he went there to drink. To their house. Wait  

Mom: for her, I guess. I don't know.  

Tim: And what got them to move to California? Did he get a job  

Mom: offer or something? It was after the service.

He was in Searchlight. What's that? I don't remember. That's when he was in World War  

Tim: II. Oh, so that, when he would go to your mom and dad's and drink wine, that was before the war? Right. Oh, I see. Okay. And then, when you say he's in Searchlight, was he overseas?

Mom: So when he was born, she was a year and how many months? Two months older than him. And that's when they lived in California. So  

Tim: Patty was born in 44 also?  

Mom: No, I said she was a year and two months  

Tim: older than him. Oh, she was born in 43 then. Yes. Well, Uncle Bob must have been around to have children in the 843.

Mom: They were married by a justice of the peace. Out there? No,  

Tim: here. Did you go to the wedding? No. Did you go to the wedding? No. Your sister's wedding? Why not? Was it slam bam?  

Mom: Oh, I think so. Yeah. Huh. Megan did the  

Tim: same thing. Yeah, but her parents were there. I was there. I arranged it with the judge, city judge in Buffalo that I knew.

Tommy Amadeo. Well,  

Mom: back in, Dwight, Ray and Irv, uh, Bob and Rachel, they didn't bother about the parents?  

Tim: No. They must have had some witnesses, though. Probably. Did you, did you, so you're, I'm still interested in California. Did you like go in and see Beverly Hills when you were there in 72? Go see Grumman's, Brahman's Chinese Theater or any of that?

Mom: Yes, but not that. I've seen it, that's what I, what with Dennis.  

Tim: Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, Dennis and Kate and Phil and MJ, right? Isn't that who was there? It was for Liam's. 30th or? 30th birthday. Yeah. They took you on the tour?  

Mom: I don't know if it was that or with Dennis and I went to visit Patti. That I was in trouble at the theater.

You  

Tim: went with Dennis to visit Patti? Yes. Gee, I didn't know that. Just you and  

Mom: Dennis? Yes. We stayed and lived on the high coast. Hmm. And there was  

Tim: Was that after she'd been sick?  

Mom: Yes. And uh, Lucy was just a few months old.  

Tim: So that was probably in like 2009 or something. I  

Mom: think it would have been Patty's birthday in October.

The reason we went then. Hmm. I can't remember.  

Tim: I didn't, I never, I missed out on that. I forgot that you'd gone that time.  

Mom: She had rebuilt her house, but she had cancer that war had all the time. She had no hair.  

Tim: Was Bob around much when you were there? Who? Her husband. Oh,  

Mom: he'd been dead by that year.  

Tim: Wait, wait.

Patty's husband died before she did? Oh, yes.  

Mom: The old lazy Bu was he He dropped it on the baseball field.  

Tim: Oh, right. Yeah. I forgot. He was, he had had a, like a tryout when he was a young man and he, it bothered him his whole life. He played semi-pro, I think. Did he? He wasn't a fireman. Was he? What did he do for a living teacher.

A teacher, yeah. Wasn't Patty a teacher also? Yes. I always liked her when she was here. It was nice to be with her. Margie and I had a nice visit with her in San Diego in 2007. Really nice. We had a beautiful We didn't see her house or anything. She came to San Diego and met us. We went to a waterfront restaurant.

It was a gorgeous day. San Diego has good weather all the time, I guess. Practically. Hmm. So you went to California twice with Dennis? At least, right? Yes. I didn't know that. I knew, I remember the trip with Phil and Kate, Dennis and MJ. You, you said that everybody got along real well. The exes got along with their exes.

Right. That's good. Kate wasn't sick  

Mom: then. No, her son was with him, but. Tyler.  

Tim: Who's son? Oh, uh, uh, not Norton, uh, I can't think of his name. Nathan. No? No. What's that kid's name? He was at the wedding, uh, he was at Tyler's wedding. I will think, I'll think of it. Oh, he was out there too?  

Mom: He was just a young kid.

He's Liam's half,  

Tim: he's Liam's half  

Mom: brother. At the table, no, you know, he was, I remember Kate's aunt. To To Phil? Phil He bothered me, and Phil would take him away from the table.  

Tim: He was a little  

Mom: rambunctious? Whether she was well then, I don't know.

I remember when Liam graduated Yeah, she wouldn't be well. When Liam graduated from Brown. And we were walking to the ceremony, and Dennis was walking ten feet ahead, and Kate said, I can't walk so fast. My heels are hurting. Really? Of course, he didn't  

Tim: slow down. Yeah, but were they married then? No. No. No.

When Liam graduated from Brown, that had to be Uh, he's older than Ryan, so that'd be like 1990. Probably. Ninety one. Kate didn't have, uh, Lou Gehrig's disease then, Mom. She couldn't have.  

Mom: Well, her knees, her heels were hurting her. Really? I remember her saying so, Tim.  

Tim: Yeah, maybe that was something else. I don't know.

Mom: Why do you  

Tim: say she did? Because I don't think, I didn't think that disease had that long of a Time. Oh, for  

Mom: God's sake. Yes it does. Yeah. Some of 'em live years and years with it.  

Tim: Yeah. I don't know. Well, I guess so. I mean, Lou GE didn't live that long. He lived about two years, I think, if that from months from his diagnosis.

Mom: Kate had it a long time.  

Tim: Really? Yes. I remember her in a wheelchair here over at Center Street. She couldn't talk. She had a computer on her wheelchair and she'd tap out words. She was funny. I forget what she, she made was making jokes.

She's been How high  

Mom: was she  

Tim: on Sutter Street? She was visiting her last visit. She came here for a short visit in the backyard, as I recall. I think it might have been summer of 69 in 2000 2008 or 9. I don't know when she died. Bonnie Fife? Bonnie was there.

Mom: You ever hear of her?  

Tim: I saw her at a Bob Dylan concert at Art Park last year. I saw her at, uh, Dick Portelli and Kath Rowland's house this past summer. She was with Janine Carr. They're great buddies. Right. Did she, how long did she, she has state retirement, I imagine, from the village, right? Was Bonnie there 20 years, at least?

Oh, I  

Mom: think so. Was she? Well,

no, it was Amy that worked at Motor Vehicles first, the state, and then she worked over here. Did  

Tim: you hire Bonnie? Amy. No, Bonnie Fyfe. Did you hire her? Yes. You did? Yes. To replace June? June did. Oh, June hired her as an assistant and then she became clerk. Was she clerk the whole time you were mayor?   

Mom: No. June was the clerk and she retired after 18 years.
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