Tim: Don't you think? What? Don't you think it's better than not being here?  

Mom: Yeah, would you put those flowers over by the clock? You bring these? Kevin just brought them for my Easter.  

Tim: They're nice. They from his yard?  

Mom: No, the forest.  

Tim: Oh, I thought they were from his yard.

You want one of these? He brought these too.  

Mom: What are they?  

Tim: Little cookies. No, they're pretzels.

So I was thinking  

Mom: But look at the bottom, what the hell?  

Tim: Some kind of frosting. When we used to have Easter, did we have Easter dinner or did we go to places like Aunt Anne's or Uncle Pat's or something? Yeah. We'd go out?  

Mom: I think so.

Tim: We didn't have Easter dinner here?  

Mom: I can't remember Tim

We didn't go to Aunt Ann's, no.  

Tim: Would you say you'd been very religious during your life?  

Mom: I went to church when you kids would go to church.  

Tim: You took us, right?  

Mom: Yes I did, I guess, up until Dad died. Pretty much, yes.  

Tim: And then you stopped?  

Mom: After a while.  

Tim: You didn't find any solace or any comfort in the church? Mm mm.

Funny how some people do, you know.  

Mom: But we had that awful priest, who finally ended up went mental.  

Tim: Caligari?  

Mom: No, after him.  

Tim: I did not know that. What do you mean mental? He want wacky? He was committed, yes. Really? Catholic priest committed to mental hospital? What is he, schizophrenic or something?  

Mom: Well, now I don't think they told what was happening.

Tim: When was that, in the 80s?  

Mom: Probably.

But I'd also quit going when I went to Dan Paul's funeral service at the church. And that priest was there then, and he never mentioned Dan Paul and what a person he was. He was reading from the..  

Tim: Just the, uh, the standard stuff?  

Mom: Just Inconsiderate. It was awful. And I don't think I ever went back after that.

Tim: I wonder, did Dan have a family? Usually the family meets with the priest and he, if he doesn't know them, or she doesn't know them, the minister or whatever. Say, tell me something about your Hmm. That's weird.,  

Mom: Dan didn't have any family, though.  

Tim: He had some kids. I remember a kid of his lived in New York or something.

Remember? Didn't they live right up here? Yes. He had kids. What happened to his wife? Did she die before him? I think so.  

Mom: Or left him, maybe. Took the kids, maybe. I don't know. He was sure a loner when he was on the village board.  

Tim: But, you made sure for us, everybody got baptized, everybody had First Communion, everybody had confirmation.

Mom: Dan Paul tried to date, uh, Sandy,  

Tim: Sandy Brillhart? Or Sandy, Franzek? Franzek. Welcome to the club. She's, he had to probably get in line, right? Yeah,  

Mom: I guess. And that didn't work. I think that was the end of him being happy, or trying to  

Tim: Was he an unhappy board member, like, when you were mayor? Was he crotchety?

Mom: No. I can't remember. We had one big fight over, over Attorneys, was it?  

Tim: Over Dave Christie? He want somebody else? Yes. Well, who'd he want Clark Brown or Gisela?

Mom: I don't know. But I'd given him Uh, the policeman, he brought him in.  

Tim: He brought Winkley in? Yes. I didn't know that.  

Mom: Recommended him.

Tim: Did he know him or was he just, did he interview him? I think he knew him. Winkley was from Newfane, wasn't he?  

Mom: Yes.

Tim: Now, did you have to go through that, uh, pre Cana stuff when you got married? You had to, is that when you converted?  

Mom: Yes, Father Lannigan.

Tim: Did he give you a hard time, or was he easy? Oh God, no. Rush, rush. Oh, really? Margie did that, too. No, she didn't do that. She just went to, uh, we had to do pre Cana. Some kind of two or three nights or something.

Mom: I'm trying to think of the priest's secretary, Father Lincoln, Housekeeper, whatever she was, was my, uh, godmother. Or confirmation. I got baptized. I had to get baptized. I've been baptized in First Communion three times, I think.  

Tim: What do you mean?  

Mom: Methodist, Episcopalian, and then Catholic.  

Tim: You're like an ecumenical council.

Yeah. Yeah, you should have tried the, uh, the Jewish temple. You could have had a bat mitzvah. You have a big party.  

Mom: I did, I got married.  

Tim: Why did you switch from Methodist to Episcopal?  

Mom: Because my mother was Episcopalian, and she, we went to Grace Episcopal in Lockport.  

Tim: Which were you first?  

Mom: Methodist. Oh, really?

At Warren's Corners.  

Tim: That had to be a big congregation.  

Mom: Probably the only thing that was around to go to.  

Tim: Every Sunday? Did you get dressed up?  

Mom: Oh, certainly. We made our own dresses. Really? Mother and sometimes, and I was in a play at the church when I was a little kid and I had a jumper kind of a blue dress on and the straps to it tied here.

I thought I was the greatest thing going. I'll never forget that dress.  

Tim: Did your mother make it? Probably. Was it made out of gingham?  

Mom: Uh, whatever, cotton. Was available.  

Tim: What was your part in the play? Oh God, I can't remember. You remember the dress? What? You remember the dress? You don't remember the part you played?

No. Was it a singing part? No. It was probably some kind of pageant, huh?  

Mom: It was probably religious or something.  

Tim: It was at the Methodist church. That's interesting. Were there boys in it?  

Mom: I can't remember anything, Tim. I was little.  

Tim: How'd you get there? Did your Grandpa Kelly take you on a... grandpa Hoag. He took you?

Mom: Well, probably my mother. Cause my Dad and Grandpa didn't go to church. They didn't?  

Tim: No. What, were they going out to Klan meetings or something?  

Mom: Or drinking hard cider in the, in the barn?  

Tim: Did they do that on Sundays? I don't know. Your father wasn't a Klansman, was he? He wasn't in the Ku Klux Klan. You, you've talked about that before. There was some Klan stuff in Niagara County in the 20s and 30s.  

Mom: I have a vague memory of him being out at night one time riding a horse and the thing to me was it was scary. It was a Ku Klux Klan after people.  

Tim: After people? Well Hunting people down?  

Mom: Maybe. To cross the river. What do you mean? The lake.

Who knows? I don't. Okay, hmm. But, that's possible.  

Tim: Sounds like a fever dream. Your father riding a horse late at night?  

Mom: Yeah, but suppose somebody would come a million dollar highway coming to Lewiston to cross.  

Tim: Yeah. What was he, it was, that makes it sound