Tim: you ever been to Milwaukee? No. I haven't either. Keenan's been there. I think Ryan. What's there? The Brewers baseball team. Green Bay's right near there. No, probably 50 miles. I'm not sure. A lot of, you know, a lot of beer.  

Mom: Ryan went to school there, didn't he?  

Tim: No, he went to Wisconsin. He went to Madison, Wisconsin.

University of Wisconsin. Not, not, I don't think he ever, he didn't, we got there by going through Canada. Oh. Through Michigan and then Wisconsin. So we didn't really, uh, I know I've never, I don't think I've ever been in Wisconsin.

I should make a list of the states I've been in.

Mom: I have a list someplace. Of your states? Of all the cities I've visited.  

Tim: Oh, that's good. Yes. Have you ever been in San Francisco?  

Mom: Oh, yes. When Maureen was there.  

Tim: Oh, I forgot. Delancey Street, yeah. That's good. I've been there. I  

Mom: drove the coast all the way down to San Diego.

Who were you with? June.  

Tim: Really? You went to California with June?  

Mom: She had a conference down in San Diego, so we went ahead of time, visited Maureen, and then I drove the car. God, I was brave, wasn't I?  

Tim: You drove that Highway 1? Yes. Did you? Do you remember going by Big Sur? No. No?  

Mom: I kept my eye on the road.

Tim: That's a beautiful highway. Right along the cliffs there? Yes. That's great. We stopped at some resort, I can't think of a name, but right near the Big Sur. It was like a yoga place. We didn't stay there, but we went in and walked around and looked at it. It just had this feeling of peacefulness. The way it was laid out, and then the people we saw there, they were all like, maybe they were smoking pot, they were all in a, this state of... Just, not la la, but they seemed real happy. I forget the name of that place. I have it in my journal. I have to look it up. I think it was called La Semana, whatever that means. I'm not sure. Well, I didn't know you were in San Francisco. I forgot about Delancey Street. So, I see.  

Mom: And I was out in Vancouver that time with Colleen and Rolph to that conference. Right. And we came back through to Tacoma and saw Maureen Elizabeth when she was living there.  

Tim: Oh, great. How far of a drive was that?  

Mom: Oh, God, I don't know. We took a boat across. The Peninsula, was it?  

Tim: From up, from Vancouver. That's nice.

Mom: You know who I was thinking of today? John Defiore, did you see their picture.  

Tim: On the front stairs? Front steps of the house? Steps with the dog. Yeah, somebody, uh, that was a charitable contribution. Somebody, they take that picture, there's a photographer who takes your family portrait. You pay fifty or a hundred dollars and it goes to Meals on Wheels.

So this photographer's going around doing that on her own, volunteering. She's selling those where Meals on Wheels gets the money. So that's what they did. I think they gave her a hundred dollars. Nice picture. Yes. He's forever posting pictures of himself and his wife.  

Mom: Yeah, he likes his pictures. I know he does.

He must be going crazy.  

Tim: He is a little bit, yeah. You know, they bought another house in Florida. They sold their house to a friend of his here, Doug, who I've watched football games with. He and his wife bought their other house. He's supposed to be there, uh, he was supposed to be there on March 28th to close on the House that he, the new house he bought, but it's postponed until May.

He postponed it, I think, not, not Florida, because Florida wasn't even shut down until today, yeah. I wouldn't want to live where they live. I've never been there, but I just don't like the whole idea of it, that villages. A hundred and fifty thousand old people in one community. There are everywhere. You know they go out to the village green every night and people square dance or whatever they do. He loves it, Janet, Janet really loves it. It is a good place to golf, I guess. I don't know, they have, you know, golf comes with your homeowner's fee, which is, I don't know how much a homeowner's fee is. I wouldn't want to live there.

Brian Williams, the news, the anchorman, he's on a, he's got a show on MSNBC late at night. When he was, he was talking about the villages for some reason a couple weeks ago, and he made an aside, he said, kind of critical or sarcastic, he said, that's a world unto itself. I gather it is. Plus, it looks all white and all Republican to me.

Probably is. Well, how about the middle of the country? You ever been to Kansas City or St. Louis? No. No? I've been to St. Louis, not Kansas City. You been to Detroit? Yes, somebody's wedding. Oh my God, Ryan's wedding. Yes. That the first time you were there? Yes.

Mom: Well, maybe, no, Toledo.  

Tim: In Ohio, that's Ohio. Ohio. What were you doing in Toledo?

Mom: Uh, uh, Matt's wife. Trish? Trish graduated or was in school there.  

Tim: I thought she went to Ohio State. Law school? No, medical school. Medical school. Is that where she went to medical school? Toledo? Toledo. I thought she went to Ohio State. No? Did you go to graduation there? That's nice.  

Mom: I think so. I still remember big stuff.

I remember Bonnie sitting behind us at the graduation.  

Tim: That might have been Bowling Green, or Miami of Ohio. I know. Did you go to that graduation? Yes. That's nice. I thought maybe Matthew would give you a call after his sister called. Remember, you mentioned him. He might. So, uh, you could've... You went to, uh, did you go to Megan's graduation in Wells, Wells College?

I think you did. Yeah. Remember that? It was a beautiful day. Terrible commencement speech. I remember. Long, wasn't it? Too long. She was terrible.  

Mom: All about the school? I think so. Or herself. I forgot.  

Tim: I think she became the president of the school, and then she, uh, she got fired. Oh. I'm not sure, but something like that. But then Ryan graduated from UB, he didn't even go to his, he never, he just went there and got his grades, you know, got into law school. That's all he wanted to do. But, you've been to... And he hasn't used his law degree, has he? No, never took the bar exam. Doesn't need to or want to. He's got a nice career.  

Right now he's working from home as is Risa. They're not even leaving their house. I mean, that map right there that I was looking at, that interactive map, it shows Brooklyn and Queens are just unbelievably swamped with virus sickness. It's amazing. New York is ground zero again. Second time in the last 20 years, ground zero.

Mom: Well, they got the biggest population in New York City.  

Tim: And it's, uh, dense. Yes. That's why it's caught fire with the disease, I gather.  

Mom: It's not like L. A. that's spread  

Tim: out. They say the increase in L. A. is not like New York. They're hoping that they keep a real low curve. They'll have a curve, but yeah, no spikes.

Mom: Well, you know, Liam and Hanako live in la, but for Christ's sake, it's 30 miles. Is it that far?  

Tim: The studios? Is it that far? From Universal? Oh, from the city, I'm guessing? Mm-Hmm. .  

Mom: It's a longway.  

Tim: Do they have a view? Can you see the skyline or anything from their house? What are they view of the mountain?  

Mom: You have a view of something, but I don't think it's the city.

Tim: Oh, not the ocean.  

Mom: No, it says, maybe it's a city. It looks that way. Not the ocean, no.  

Tim: One thing about this virus, they probably don't have traffic jams in L. A. now. Oh, probably. They're terrible. We went to a wedding out there for Betsy Treadway's wedding. We were almost late for the wedding. On a Saturday.

It's awful.  

Mom: Well, when we went for Liam's wedding, Brian was... A lot of traffic on Sunset Boulevard, was it? It wasn't, yeah.  

Tim: Out to the house? You were going to Beverly Hills, right? To Billy Dee's house? Right. Yeah, that's in Sunset Boulevard. Did you go? No. No, I didn't go. My kids went. Uh, Margie went. They had a great time.

They did some celebrity watching. They saw Samuel L. Jackson. You'd think they saw Jesus rolling away the stone. He wasn't at the wedding, I don't think. No, I don't think so. They saw him at a coffee shop or something. What about Chicago? You ever been to Chicago? Oh, the World's Fair!  

Mom: Yeah, well, but pass it through.

Did I tell you Maureen Elizabeth was so happy the other day with all the recordings you've made. Oh, good. She said it's the greatest thing she's ever seen in her life.  

Tim: Ah, isn't that nice? That's great. What about Philadelphia? You ever been to Philadelphia? Oh, yes.  

Mom: Yeah? I got up and touched the Liberty Bell. You did?

Tim: Yes. Was that like a mayor's thing?  

Mom: It was outside the museum. I think they put it in now.  

Tim: They did? I thought it was outside also. It's outside of Independence Hall, isn't it? Right. They put it inside?  

Mom: I was at a conference. I think I read or heard on the news that they might have moved it in.  

Tim: I love going there.

You know, we've been once a year if we can go see Mark Mills and his girlfriend. They live in New Jersey, but it's only 20 minutes from downtown. They took us, we went to that, uh, museum that I love, and there's a new restaurant near there. We've done that two years in a row. We didn't, we planned on doing it this year, but who knows.

Yeah, that's a nice vacation spot. Yeah, well, it's got a lot of tourist stuff to do, you know. And Ryan ran the marathon there quite a lot.  

Mom: I think, I think our conference is down at the waterfront. Oh, yeah. At Philadelphia, so I don't know.  

Tim: Big Navy yard there.  

Mom: I don't, I went by myself. Leo Nowak was there.  

Tim: Oh, was it like an I.

D. A. type conference? Yes.

Were you chairman then?  

Mom: Probably. Went there to New Orleans.  

Tim: Oh, you did? I didn't know that. That had to be fun. With him, yeah. That'd be nice. Do you remember where you stayed?  

Mom: We were in a hotel and we moved from one hotel to another. Why, did you get  

Tim: bedbugs or something? What? Did you get bedbugs or something?

Why'd you do that?  

Mom: I've forgotten the reason.  

Tim: Did you remember the food?  

Mom: Hardly. Uh huh. I remember sitting out on a veranda and having a drink at one of those famous... Bourbon Street? Bourbon Street restaurants.  

Tim: Oh, good. Chef, uh, that big long name over there.  

Mom: And I took a boat ride out north. Oceans, by myself.

Tim: Out in the ocean, you had to go through the bayous or something, didn't you? What do you mean by yourself? Well, he didn't go with me. None of the group went? No, no. I was the only one. Were you the only one? Oh. You really  

Mom: so that? And I was in New Orleans, I think. But his wife was there. No, it wasn't New Orleans. It was Florida. Miami? And she came. Was that Miami? Which was nice.  

Tim: Mom, was that in Miami or up in Tampa? Miami. Miami? You stayed down in the Miami Beach area? Convention Center?  

Mom: I can't remember. No? Probably.  

Tim: Well, you got around pretty good then. You've been to North Carolina. You've been to all the East Coast states.

Right. South Carolina. Did you ever go to Charleston or, or, uh?

Mom: I did, but I drove. But Irish, that time you went to Charleston? We were at Myrtle Beach and I said, I'm not leaving till I go to Charleston. Good for you. We went out on uh, carriage ride and out on a, was it a boat ride out into the channel or something?

But it was rainy.  

Tim: What about Savannah? Did you go to Savannah? No. Well, Savannah's in Georgia, isn't it? That Yeah.  

Mom: The capital right. Of Georgia,  

Tim: I think. No. Atlanta's the capital of Georgia, isn't it? I think so.  

Mom: I can't remember. Well, where did Rolfe stay? We were in Georgia.  

Tim: He stayed in a county there, Cobb County.

I forget the town.  

Mom: I want to say Matthias.  

Tim: A little town there?  

Mom: Marietta.  

Tim: No, that's Ohio. No, there's a Marietta, Georgia, too. But there is an Ohio, also. Hmm. I'd like to go down to Birmingham and that area, Mobile.  

Mom: Tim, those are, show Margy this. I just want to bring it up when Pat was here. But she bought that mulinex stuff.

Christ Almighty, 15 bucks.  

Tim: Well, maybe it'll last you a year.  

Mom: No, shall I... I went to ask Margy if I should take it. I haven't taken it all week.  

Tim: Did you put it on the list for her to buy?  

Mom: No, she said it was... I don't... Somebody must have written it down. She picked up all the yellow slips for her.  

Tim: Oh, yeah, I see.

14. 99. Isn't that high? So is the Panera Soup. Six and a half... Oh, but she got three. Oh, okay. All right. She got progresso soup, too.  

Mom: One vegetable that I like.  

Tim: Okay, I'll ask her. I'm not going to open it. You haven't been taking it, right?  

Mom: I don't know what it does.  

Tim: It's got to do with your mucus. Mucus, mucinex.

I'm thinking, I'll look at the bottle. But, I don't know if a doctor ever prescribed it for you.  

Mom: If it helps with the mucus, I need that.