Tim: So Brian called me last night and asked me about Bobby Reynolds. Did you know they were classmates at NU? Yes. I didn't know that. I knew they both went to NU.  

Mom: He died, did he?  

Tim: He died in 2009, 11 years ago. So we talked about them a little bit. I remember Beth. Beth always seemed well put together. Elegant in a way.

Didn't you think? His sister?  

Mom: Yeah, but... I didn't know much about her. She divorced, didn't she? Good Catholic Reynolds.. I think she divorced...  

Tim: She married somebody named Kale, like K A H E.  

Mom: Maybe, maybe they're still married, I don't know.  

Tim: She died. She died before Bobby. Oh. I read his obituary and it said she pre deceased him.

So did his brother. He had a name, he had a nickname, Mookie, or Mook. Yeah. Did you know him? No. Was there another brother named Buddy?  

Mom: Buddy Reynolds?  

Tim: I don't think so. Yeah, Buddy, Buddy. There's no, he's not mentioned in the obituary.  

Mom: I think that was the older one.  

Tim: He was older than Bobby and Beth? Yes. And Mook?

Mom: It was probably Mook. We didn't call him Mook, it was probably Buddy.  

Tim: Oh, so that's the same person? Yes. So there were only two boys and one girl?  

Mom: I think so.  

Tim: Oh, okay. Well, I, I, you know, I go to Lockport a lot because I see the mayor. I go and help her write speeches and do little things for her. And every time I go by that funeral home, I, I wondered, you know, we, we didn't see.

It disappeared. Yeah. The home is still functioning. I don't know who runs it. I don't either. There's no Reynolds. There's no Taylor. I don't think. There's a bar across the street called the Niagara Hotel.  

Mom: That's where probably they called, uh, Buddy Mook.  

Tim: Why? Because of that hotel, that bar.  

Mom: 'cause of bar. They probably had a bar name for him.  

Tim: Oh well remember where the fire, wasn't it? I was talking to Brian about this. Wasn't the motorcycle gang they like They had their headquarters next door. They were at the bar. They had an Was it at the bar? I think so. Oh, I thought they had a little garage or something. Maybe they did. They had an ongoing dispute.

Yes. That's a heck of a way to end a dispute. Geez.  

Mom: Well, I think some of them probably went to jail for it.

Tim: I think so, too. Brian didn't think they were. There was an investigation and some arrests.  

Mom: Yeah, I'm pretty sure.  

Tim: Yeah. Long time. Twenty five, thirty years they got, as I remember, two of them. As they should have. I mean, that's murder. Right. It was probably second degree murder or at least manslaughter. Maybe second degree murder. But you told me that she went back in to get a dog. That, where was Francis? He let her do that? Jeez.  

Mom: She probably was  

Tim: was she? Did she work in the funeral home too?  

Mom: Receptionist kind of thing.

Tim: Yeah. I remember being in there for something. It might have, was Grandpa Hoag was buried there, right? Yes. Or waked out of there. I remember it's the first, not the first time I was ever in a funeral home, but they had price tags on the furniture. So people could go and buy the end table, right? Right. Did funeral homes, other funeral homes do that?

Probably, yes. They sold it, they sold the furniture? It was like a furniture.  

Mom: Back in that day.  

Tim: Did they? It was like a second source of income. Yeah. All right. It seems weird. Very weird. I had this client got buried, uh, uh, Carl Trippi, he owned a big, uh, wholesale tobacco and candy. And he was friends with, uh, Anthony Amagon, who owns the funeral home, and he was sick.

Carl had cancer, but he was still working, driving around, going golfing, going, I went to Florida with him when he was, while he was sick, he had his own plane. He went, he went shopping with Anthony Amagon and picked out a suit. He picked out the shoes. He wanted, he picked out his own coffin. Anthony told me later after the funeral that, that Carl wanted his coffin open all the way so people could see his shoes.

And they did. I went to the funeral. I didn't notice that anything different. But you know how usually people have like a half, yeah, the whole thing open with his fine fancy new shoes. Some people have weird wishes. He picked out the music he wanted played at his funeral. He did the whole...  

Mom: Older man when he died?

Tim: Well, this was about 20 years ago. He was 69. And I was 43. No, yeah. 53. But it felt like he was very, way older than me. I was 53, he was 69.  

Mom: Well, that's 20 years. Pretty close.  

Tim: I went to Florida with him. He had a beautiful house there in Apalachicola, up on the, uh, Gulf Coast. Over there by, uh... What's the, what's the word?

Not Tallahassee. Tampa. No, no. I think Tallahassee. Isn't Tallahassee up on that, that coast? On the east coast. Oh, Tallahassee's all that? I can't think. Tampa Bay's on the west. Yeah, well it's way above that. It's Apalachicola's on that prop, on the... Oh,  

Mom: on the panhandle?  

Tim: The panhandle, yeah. He called it the Redneck Riviera.

Oh. So did, did Grandma Hoag get buried out of Taylor Reynolds too?  

Mom: No, I don't think so.  

Tim: Maybe Lewiston, huh? I think. Hardison? Hardison. I don't remember her funeral.  

Mom: I don't either.  

Tim: You don't? Your own mother? I remember Grandpa Hoag's. But not hers, that's weird. They died in the same year, didn't they?  

Mom: Yes, August.

What year? 1975.  

Tim: No, they died in the 60's, Mom. 65. Yeah, so they died after Grandma Toohey. She died in 64. Yes. Huh. So I wasn't even, uh, I wasn't even 21. Brian said we were drinking at Taylor Reynolds when, uh, at Grandpa Hoag's funeral. I don't remember. I don't. Said they have a family, the family in a different room.

We were drinking.  

Mom: I don't remember.  

Tim: He's got a better drinking memory than I did. That's why I quit drinking, I guess. Forget too much.

Did they have a, uh, church service for your father? No. They didn't? How about your Grandpa Hoag, Grandma Hoag?  

Mom: Nobody, Protestants didn't have church services. Sure they do. They say prayers at the... Funeral home? Funeral home.  

Tim: I didn't realize that. Well, sometimes they do, like Paul Reed had a big service at the First Presbyterian Church when he died.

His wife did, too, a few months ago.  

Mom: So did Betty Helms, didn't she?  

Tim: She had a full church. Full church. I had to say a few words at that funeral. Told a story, funny story about her. She was an elegant woman. Yes. Always nicely dressed.

She had good taste. Her little house over there on 3rd Street, the furniture in there was like unbelievably beautiful and beautiful. Probably inherited. Did she have family money?  

Mom: Yes. Did she? Her father had a grocery store.  

Tim: Oh really? Yes. What was her maiden name? Do you remember?  

Mom: Dad used to take him to To Canada, they buy stuff.

Bunch of old men.  

Tim: She had a big stock portfolio in the 80s. Remember that crash in October of 88? Yeah. It was a pretty big crash. She had, Bill Carroll, who was Sumner Carroll's son, worked at Merrill Lynch. He was her stockbroker. He lost four or five hundred thousand dollars of her money. Ooh. In that crash, he had it in like, Futures in some obscure stocks.

We sued Merrill Lynch and recovered the vast majority of it because she had a broker agreement with him that it would be in blue chips and things like that, although even blue chips got hammered at that time, but he had it in things that went zero. He never got his security license back. But his wife 's a broker so he did everything through her.

Remember that family, Sumner Carroll? Yeah. They had a...  

Mom: Nine kids.  

Tim: Nine? I think. You always remember how many kids somebody had. Someone had. He was the youngest, I think.  

Mom: One of them lived across from you there on Third Street, did they? Did they want to buy a house?  

Tim: He was married to, uh, Jeannie Salata, and they got divorced.

He never lived there when we lived there. Oh.

He lives in Niagara Falls. He's the Niagara Falls Republican Chairman now. Is he? Bill Carroll. Then there was that other family. You remember Jim Carroll? Yes. His father. They were unrelated. They weren't related. They lived on Fort Gray Drive. No, they lived on Hewitt. Keep your hands off your face. You're right.

I'm playing with my beard. Oh. My stubble. Still your face. Kevin, Kevin, he has stubble, right? Is he not shaving? Oh, he shaves. Well, when we were there the other day, I noticed he looked like this, a little bit.  

Mom: Well, I just didn't get close enough to him that I could see anything. Cause he shaves his head too, you know, with the electric shaver.

Tim: He has stubble there? He could grow hair there? He could grow some hair if he wanted? Who? Kevin?  

Mom: Oh yes.  

Tim: Did you talk to Dennis yesterday?  

Mom: No, but sometime during the week he called.  

Tim: Oh, he did? What did he have to say?  

Mom: Not much. They just stay in. They took a walk.  

Tim: He'd go out and yes, I gotta get my bike out. I need to, uh, get it tuned up.