Mom: They're in Florida, aren't they?  

Tim: Yeah, they're in Florida, up on, uh, Palm Beach Gardens. They haven't had hot weather. It was hot there the, uh, it was hot there on Thursday. I don't know where Brian is. It rained yesterday. Here? I don't think so. I don't know. Did it? Mom, remember when we were talking about...

Beaver Island the other day. Didn't we used to go there with Franzeks? Yes. Who, who went? Did the whole, their whole crew of kids? Probably with, yes. Sandy? Ray, uh, Ray? No, no, uh, uh, Ron? Ron. Mike? And who were the, there were two younger girls, weren't there? Patty. Patty, which one was the Ph. D.? Phyllis. She died, I guess.

Yes. Yeah. Patty lives in Florida.  

Mom: Does she? And sometimes Youngstown was... I think that's where Brian lives now.  

Tim: He does, yeah. Well, he's like a recluse, though. He and Sandy didn't get along in their adult life for some reason. You ever see Sandy? Occasionally, you know, she used to give her a neck brace. I haven't seen her in a few months.

But they weren't, I don't remember, I remember going there with them, and maybe going to their house once in a while, too. Did we used to go there?  

Mom: Yes. They had a pool, didn't they?  

Tim: They did, yeah. Yeah.

Ray, Ray outlived, uh, Jean. Jean by quite a ways, didn't he? Yeah. He used to stop in my law office and chat.

And I wonder what they think now of this big development there at 8th and Center. So, you were friends with Jean. Didn't you go to bars with her once in a while?  

Mom: Once or twice. Only once. So I figured out what she was doing.  

Tim: What'd you think she was doing?  

Mom: She was going off to a bedroom with a guy. She was?

That's why I discovered it up in, wherever we were, in Buffalo, someplace. Like a, a nightclub? She left me at the bar, yeah, and struck off, and then came back. And when I put two and two together, I didn't know how long it did.  

Tim: How, how long was she gone for? I don't remember. Slam bam, thank you ma'am. Gee, she didn't tell you?

She just went off for like an hour or two? You sat at the bar?  

Mom: I had already been at, you know, I went to a county clerk's meeting in Long Island, I guess it was. She volunteered to drive down so she could visit some friends she had there. It was a guy.  

Tim: Ray was still alive, obviously. He outlived her. She was, she was playing around, huh?

Huh.  

Mom: Nice Catholic woman.  

Tim: Did she stay when you went there, so she volunteered to drive you, but she didn't stay with you?  

Mom: She did, but then she'd take off every night.  

Tim: Really? That's really amazing. This was in the 80s? 70s or 80s? Yes. Genie. Huh. I remember Ray much, much more starkly or clearly than her.

Ron was in my class, but I don't have any contact with him. I think he had an insurance license for a short time. He never sold cars or anything, did he? I don't think he ever worked.  

How could he do that? What did he... I don't think they made money when they sold this. They, they, they're... The Finkbiners bought it, but then they, they, uh, defaulted on the mortgage.

It was all a complicated mess. Well... Was, was Dad friends with Ray? Doesn't seem like... We were all friends. Just a family? Not, not drinking friends. I don't remember them here. No. That's funny.  

Mom: It was more kids and kids. Was it? Oh. Because they had six. We had six. And then she had more, I think.  

Tim: They had two boys and four girls, right?

Yes. Yeah. Oh, they were six. They were six, yeah. I, you know, I hate it when families like Mike doesn't speak to Ronnie and ... Ronnie doesn't speak to Sandy. What, what could that be? What, what makes a... Probably all over money. You think so? Should never let that happen. Hmm. I haven't seen Ronnie in 20 years.

Mom: I probably haven't either. I wouldn't know him.  

Tim: I saw an American Indian today named Jim Laughing. It's his name, Jim Laughing. He's a Mohawk Indian, but he lived here. I did some legal work for him in the nineties and uh, when I saw him this morning at Goose's Roost, I met some other people there and he was in there and he grabbed my arm when I walked by his table, he said, Toohey. He said, you, Jim Laughing. I said, they haven't seen you in 25 years. He said, I'm 80 years old. He announced his age. He said, the last time you saw me, I was 55. . He looked good, though. He, he looked, he's one of these men that has that classic Indian look, whatever that is, like he belongs on the nickel, you know.

Remember we were talking about Grandma Toohey and the Tuscaroras? Think there's anything to that? That she had? You said Tuscarora blood. I can't believe that. Were her parents Lewiston people? Pekin. Such a thing as Pekin people, huh? Her, she grew up in Pekin? Yes. It's not a farm. Was it a farm?  

Mom: I don't know really.

No, it was a bar room, wasn't it?  

Tim: Yes. Yeah. Brian did some homework on that I guess. Yeah, she, did she play the piano or something? Yeah, I think so. Geez. Wish I had a video of that. But what made you say that? Uh, that the Indian aspect

Mom: Can't think of right now, Tim,  

Tim: because Isabelle Anderson smoking Joe's mother. Told me she loved Grandma Toohey. She knew her from something. Baptizing some kids or something.  

Mom: Well, Dad was a part of that. He was? Through the Holy Name, I guess. They went out to the reservation.  

Tim: Were they missionaries? Well, could be.

Gee, I didn't know that. Converting the pagans to, uh, Catholicism? Huh. Isabel's a widow now. You know, they're both in their 90s, but her husband died last, a couple months ago. Uh, Dwayne. She worked at Fatima Shrine. Yes. Long time. I saw it there, right. Did you? Isabel. I knew one of the kids, did you read about that uh, incident on the reservation, a guy got killed?

Yeah. It was a drug deal gone bad. Oh. Some guys were telling me this morning.

Well, I just wanted to know, that's interesting, Grandma Toohey, all I, you know, I remember her being, she seemed old when she was young. Terrible. Did she have illnesses or ailments?  

Mom: Oh yeah, vericose veins.  

Tim: She wore those thick socks, right? Thick, what are they? Stockings. Stockings. She didn't, I don't remember seeing her out much.

Stayed in the house. Right. First time anyone ever had a veranda. She called that the veranda up there. Was that screened in? Was it screened? Yeah. I think so. You put windows up in the... Ernie did that. Oh, so Grandma didn't have, uh... No, no. But it was there.  

Mom: It was there, but there were no windows. It was a screened in porch.

Tim: Ah. Were you ever in that house after Ernie remodeled it? Put that big room on the back?  

Mom: I went once. Did you? Cause they put in a new bathroom at that time. It's all gold. Really?  

Tim: Ugly? Was it connected to the bathroom, the bedroom over on that, this side? Yeah, it wouldn't fit. Take somebody out of the river, they gotta stay either, you bring them out up from the river, they still act like they lived at the river.

Well, this golf tournament is going pretty good.