Tim: Mom, it was interesting talking about the Kennedys the other day. You know, Brian and Dennis both commented on actually precisely when Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald. But you know, when you think about the 60s, I didn't, I wouldn't say the 60s that decade was defined by Kennedy, but because so much else happened.

Mom: Oh, it was for us. Working on the campaign. Kelly's Coal Yard, you know. Yeah. With the headquarters.  

Tim: For what? In 1960?  

Mom: Oh yeah, Betty Bradshaw, Betty Murphy Bradshaw. I didn't know that, really? We had that open, and we had a place open on Portage Road, that was a house up on Portage Road.  

Tim: That was the headquarters?

Where was the headquarters? That was, headquarters was in Kelly Street. What'd you have, banners up and everything? Yeah, it's, it's, yes. I wish I could remember that. I was... 13. I don't remember that.  

Mom: Oh, it was exciting. Yeah.  

Tim: So, what did you, do you remember election night? Not really. I wonder if they, they had debates.

That was one of the first, uh, times they had debates. See, to me...  

Mom: See, I think that election stuff was all wiped out by the assassination. That I remember.  

Tim: Well, everybody that was alive remembers that, yeah. Do you remember Bobby's assassination? June of 68? Oh yes, your graduation. Yeah, boy, that tainted my graduation, didn't it?

But what a year that was, with Martin Luther King, in April, Bobby in June,  

Mom: Geez. Was there someone else though? I guess not. Maybe it was something personal.  

Tim: I mean, 68 was just such a, and then in 69, of course, you had the Man on the Moon. And you would leave it for the service? I was in Vietnam. Brian gone.

Yeah. For the service. Man on the Moon and, uh, and, uh, Chappaquidick in 69. I think the same month, as I recall. I know in July I was in Vietnam. I remember the... Stars and Stripes headline of, uh, The Man on the Moon, I think it was July. Chappaquidick wasn't 69. Yes it was, July of 69. And what was it? Teddy going off the bridge with the girl in the car.

Mom: I'm thinking still of, uh, Well. Oh, okay.  

Tim: In 69, let's see, you were, uh, 46 years old. Is that right? That was 50 years ago. 51, going on 51.  

Mom: A lot of history in my lifetime, I guess.  

Tim: Was Dad on the village board at all? Oh, yes. Then, what, what years was it? Think it was 60. So in 1960 he was on the village board? Yes. So he wasn't even, uh, 40?

Probably not. He was 39 in 1960, I think, right? Did he have one term or more?  

Mom: He just had the one term.  

Tim: Did he get beat? No, he chose not to run. He didn't want to run? I see. Last night Margie and I went to the Episcopal Church for pancakes, their pancake thing, and we sat with a woman who's the daughter of Emerson Walker.

Remember Emerson Walker? Yes. I was trying to think of his name the other day. We were talking about Harley or somebody. Harley Walker lives up here, on the highway. Yeah, this woman lived, uh, on 5th Street at Burt's Circle. Right. Between the two entrances to Burt's Circle. Where is she now? She lives in the village somewhere.

She taught school. She knows Wendy. She was a special ed teacher. Oh. But, uh, she lived next door to Tom, Tom Cadilly. Cadilly lived on Burt's Circle, but her backyard went up against his backyard. Huh. But, the 60s probably was when Lewiston expanded the most too, wouldn't you say?  

Mom: It did. Well, 50s. When I went to California with you kids in 52, we came back and that's when the house was going up over here and they had taken down all the forest.

That was all forest.  

Tim: What house are you talking about? On the alley? Right over here. Dobertine's? Dobertine's. You mean that house from here down?  

Mom: To the end of 5th Street. There was a house at the end of 5th Street.  

Tim: Yeah, Miller's. Yes. But there was nothing in between? No. Oh, there must have been. There had to be.

Weren't there any houses? So all, every house north of Onondaga was built after 1950? I believe so. Of course you had, uh, the farmhouses on Morgan Farms over there. Right. And then the houses along River Road.  

Mom: But that was forest. You kids used to play.  

Tim: Wasn't it orchards?  

Mom: Orchards. I call it, you called it forest.

Tim: So who farmed them? I mean, that was farmland? You're sure? God. We grew up on a farm then. Not really, but... That's amazing. So...  

Mom: Well, there were only  

like 800 people in Lewiston then.  

In 1960? Is that all? It hadn't started to grow.  

Tim: No? Historical Square wasn't there, was it? No, no, no. In the 60s. Did that come in the 60s? Yes. Massaro? June Morrison and all, she was one of the first. And she lived down under the hill. Yeah, I remember where she lived.  

Mom: And Jack died, or John.  

Tim: So that place was probably built before 1970? Yes. Ah. I didn't realize that. She was up front then. What, on the first floor? No, second floor. I didn't realize that.

Yeah, so that whole Morgan Farms area came in. It was built after. Yeah, was it one builder or a collection of them? Remember the Polish guy? Walter something? He was a good builder.

Mom: Well, it was like Vicki Sloma's father, he built a lot of houses.  

Tim: Is he a home builder? I didn't know. Yes. Uh, geez, he was a client of mine. I can't remember his first name. What a, he was an SOB. Terrible with women. He'd be in jail if he was alive today for "me too". He'd come in secretary, in my office and harass the secretaries. I told him stop it.

Do you remember how sloppy he got in his old age? No. You ever see him? Oh my God, he, he's a mess. A mess. His son is all buttoned up and neat, you know, but, Mr. Slomo, didn't he own the Fairchild Manor for a while? The nursing home? Probably. Yeah, and he had to get out of it. He got in trouble. He had to get out of it.

He had to sell it. That's when Mickey, his son, bought it, or became the owner. Took over. Yeah. Who was that guy, Rocky, wasn't, didn't Dad know a guy named Rocky something? Car salesman? No. Builder, I think. Rocky Gian. I don't know. Remember that name? Hmm. I thought he, I thought he knew somebody named Rocky, lived, who was a builder.

Did Dad and Uncle Pat, how often would you say they went out and had beers? Together? Yeah. Probably never. They didn't? They weren't together. They didn't meet at Schneider's or? No. Well, who did, if Dad went for a beer at Schneider's, who did he go with? The people that were in there?  

Mom: Who ran the meat market?

Tim: I don't know. Not the white haired guy. Butch? Butch. Yeah.  

Mom: What was his wife's name?  

Tim: Barker, Butch Barker.  

Mom: Well, he was one of them.  

Tim: But, uh, Did Dad drink with Bill Helms? Helms. Bill Helms? He drank with Bill Helms? Yes. And Bill Murphy? I bet they had a lot of fun.  

Mom: Probably.  

Tim: A lot of drinking. Oh, boy. Well, I know both of them pretty well.

I know their history is laced with alcohol, or  

Mom: Bill Murphy defended you.  

Tim: I know. I know. But he, he, they drank every day, Bill Helms and Bill Murphy. Oh, yeah. At lunchtime. Yeah. You know? I don't think your dad did that. But they also drank at dinner time. Three o'clock in the afternoon. Oh, geez. Did you ever go over and have a couple beers?

No. Women didn't do that, huh? No. Why not? I didn't drink. You didn't drink? Not before weekends. Would you, did Dad come home intoxicated? Probably. You wouldn't, you would know. He didn't, he'd come home and eat. I mean, after working at the dairy, would he go drink?  

Mom: Yes.  

And Colleen, when he'd pick her up or something at school, she'd be over there with him, which I didn't know for a long time.

Tim: You mean he'd pick her up at Lew-Port and she was in fifth grade? Red Brick. Oh, Red Brick. Colleen never went to Red Brick, Mom. That's where she goes. No, she never went  

Mom: Balmer, Balmer Road. Not Balmer Road, Creek Road. No, there was a school at Balmer Road.  

Tim: Oh, right, a temporary school where they were building.

Yeah, that's where she went. One, one year, maybe? I've forgotten. What grade would that be, like third? Was it second or third? He'd pick her up and take her to a bar? Really? What would she do, like coloring books and things?  

Mom: I'm getting mixed up on dates. But I don't know. Jim and Gladys Johnson lived up here.

Sheesh. Gladys worked at the school then. And so did... Who was the guy? Anne Welch's father.

Fitzpatrick. Mrs. Fitzpatrick worked with Gladys, and they took care of, Gladys would take care of Colleen a little bit, and Sue-Ann and Dave Ross lived upstairs, they took care of her.  

Tim: She had good care then, they're nice people. Yes. Yeah? You mean she'd come home, get off a bus, and go into their house?  

Mom: Or else they'd walk her home from school.

Tim: Not from school, from the bus. Yeah. Huh. You and Colleen, so... Let's see, I graduated from high school in 64, Brian in 62, Maureen was 66 or 67, right? Yes. So you had a busy decade. Man, what a busy decade. I know. College graduations, high school graduations. I had a hysterectomy. You did? In 67?  

Mom: No, 44 or 45.  

Tim: No. I was so sick. You were age 44. Yes. Yeah, that would have been 60, 67.  

Mom: When Brian graduated from Niagara. In sixty six, I was recovering. That, but you had hysterectomy then. You were on your  

Tim: backside for, yes. For what, a week or so? Oh, months. No!  

Mom: Two or three weeks.  

Tim: Two or three weeks, yeah? I don't remember that.  

Mom: I was quite as a sheet and weak to go to his graduation.

Tim: But you went, right? Yes. Do you remember when you fainted out here once? It's something, you had something? In the bathroom. Oh, I thought it was in the dining room. It was, what were your teeth? I think you had some surgery or something. I had my teeth pulled out. Yeah, what was that, loss of blood or something?

What made you faint?  

Mom: I don't know, I looked in the bathroom mirror and I just had teeth, I fainted.  

Tim: I think you walked out here and fainted, in my memory. But, also, so when you think of the 60s, you think of having a hysterectomy? You had all kinds of, you had a law school graduation? Did you go to Brian's law school graduation? Yeah. That's good. I know you went to my Albany graduation, and then of course that same year you went to my wedding in Albany. And Brian's in Ithaca. See, you were busy parents. Busy parents. It was pleasant, wasn't it, weren't they?  

Mom: We didn't have any uproar.  

Tim: No, that's good.  

Mom: I think, well, like, Bonnie's parents were more upset, more disappointed probably.

Uh, Our, ours being boys, Mm hmm. was not quite the same as the girls. Yeah. Like, Margie's mother probably was devastated.  

Tim: Not really, no. She liked me so much, it was fine. I'm not kidding. You take credit. Yeah, I do, I am. That was all, that was fine. Yeah. I, I, My wedding reception, I remember Brian's, I remember a big fireplace or something.

Remember that? It was a beautiful room. It must have been at the law school, maybe. Do you remember?  

Mom: Yes, Uncle Bill sat on a chair and broke it.  

Tim: I don't, I don't remember that. Brian had to pay for it. He had too much to drink? Yes. Not Uncle Bill. Yes. Boy, he could drink, couldn't he? What'd he drink, vodka or gin?

He drank. I think vodka. I think gin, but whatever. He drank it straight up. You know that. Right. I used to go to lunch with him when I was general counsel of the NFTA. And he drank three martinis at lunch. But he'd also eat a steak. Went to the same place every day on Delaware Avenue. I went for, I went quite a lot with him.

We got in a habit there, once or twice a month, going to lunch. In 82, 83, 84.  

Mom: When did he get sick and die?  

Tim: Ah, I don't know. My guess is he died probably 2003 or 4. 16.  

Mom: Cause I can remember Aunt Ann, she was 83.  

Tim: When she died? Yes. That wasn't that long ago. That was only about 7 years ago. 6.  

Mom: Yeah, but she was only 2 years younger than me.

Oh really? So I had to be about 85.  

Tim: So that was, uh, 11 years ago, 2009. Alright.

 She wasn't, she had been sick, wasn't she? Oh yeah. For a couple years, a year or so.  

Mom: When Maureen was alive, we used to go and see her.  

Tim: really? Not in a, in a, she was never in a nursing home or hospice or anything?  

Mom: She went to Peggy's, the last few months.  

Tim: In Virginia? Ah, I didn't know that.  

Mom: Before that, she'd been at home.  

Tim: Well, that covers the 60s. Tomorrow we'll talk about the 70s.